Hyprland: crash on wake up from suspend
Pretty often, after I wake up my laptop, Hyprland crashes. Here’s the coredump
coredumpctl debug 2852
PID: 2852 (Hyprland)
UID: 1000 (antoine)
GID: 1000 (antoine)
Signal: 11 (SEGV)
Timestamp: Fri 2022-10-07 08:57:44 PDT (39s ago)
Command Line: Hyprland
Executable: /usr/bin/Hyprland
Control Group: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-3.scope
Unit: session-3.scope
Slice: user-1000.slice
Session: 3
Owner UID: 1000 (antoine)
Boot ID: 030b552e066042ba93c89c47a1644dc4
Machine ID: 9e36ae83bc9246a2a196067f2db76342
Hostname: axion
Storage: /var/lib/systemd/coredump/core.Hyprland.1000.030b552e066042ba93c89c47a1644dc4.2852.1665158264000000.zst (present)
Disk Size: 9.1M
Message: Process 2852 (Hyprland) of user 1000 dumped core.
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Stack trace of thread 2852:
#0 0x00007f6a07e6fb99 wl_list_insert (libwayland-server.so.0 + 0x9b99)
#1 0x00007f6a07feb25f wlr_output_configuration_head_v1_create (libwlroots.so.11032 + 0x8525f)
#2 0x000055603a5a48e6 _ZN6Events15listener_changeEP11wl_listenerPv (Hyprland + 0x968e6)
#3 0x00007f6a07e6ff6e wl_signal_emit_mutable (libwayland-server.so.0 + 0x9f6e)
#4 0x00007f6a07fe8ef0 output_layout_reconfigure (libwlroots.so.11032 + 0x82ef0)
#5 0x00007f6a07fe91b2 wlr_output_layout_add (libwlroots.so.11032 + 0x831b2)
#6 0x000055603a5ba1f8 _ZN8CMonitor9onConnectEb (Hyprland + 0xac1f8)
#7 0x000055603a5a5d67 _ZN6Events18listener_newOutputEP11wl_listenerPv (Hyprland + 0x97d67)
#8 0x00007f6a07e6ff6e wl_signal_emit_mutable (libwayland-server.so.0 + 0x9f6e)
#9 0x00007f6a07e6ff6e wl_signal_emit_mutable (libwayland-server.so.0 + 0x9f6e)
#10 0x00007f6a07facef9 scan_drm_connectors (libwlroots.so.11032 + 0x46ef9)
#11 0x00007f6a07e6ff6e wl_signal_emit_mutable (libwayland-server.so.0 + 0x9f6e)
#12 0x00007f6a07fbd1f0 handle_udev_event (libwlroots.so.11032 + 0x571f0)
#13 0x00007f6a07e719e2 wl_event_loop_dispatch (libwayland-server.so.0 + 0xb9e2)
#14 0x00007f6a07e72197 wl_display_run (libwayland-server.so.0 + 0xc197)
#15 0x000055603a53ce91 main (Hyprland + 0x2ee91)
#16 0x00007f6a07430290 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x23290)
#17 0x00007f6a0743034a __libc_start_main (libc.so.6 + 0x2334a)
#18 0x000055603a544d45 _start (Hyprland + 0x36d45)
Stack trace of thread 2865:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2859:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2867:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2863:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2869:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2860:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2866:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2864:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2868:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2878:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2870:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2862:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2871:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2875:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2876:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2874:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2872:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2877:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2880:
#0 0x00007f6a0751654f accept (libc.so.6 + 0x10954f)
#1 0x000055603a5d5626 _ZNSt6thread11_State_implINS_8_InvokerISt5tupleIJZN13CEventManager11startThreadEvEUlvE_EEEEE6_M_runEv (Hyprland + 0xc7626)
#2 0x00007f6a077d12f3 execute_native_thread_routine (libstdc++.so.6 + 0xd62f3)
#3 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#4 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2879:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2861:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
Stack trace of thread 2873:
#0 0x00007f6a07490306 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x83306)
#1 0x00007f6a07492b20 pthread_cond_wait (libc.so.6 + 0x85b20)
#2 0x00007f6a042ddc5c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xb2c5c)
#3 0x00007f6a042d735c n/a (iris_dri.so + 0xac35c)
#4 0x00007f6a0749374d n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x8674d)
#5 0x00007f6a07515700 n/a (libc.so.6 + 0x108700)
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Reading symbols from /usr/bin/Hyprland...
warning: Can't open file anon_inode:i915.gem which was expanded to anon_inode:i915.gem during file-backed mapping note processing
[ SNIP: hundreds of the same message]
warning: Can't open file /dev/shm/.org.chromium.Chromium.O0DlQM (deleted) during file-backed mapping note processing
warning: Can't open file anon_inode:i915.gem which was expanded to anon_inode:i915.gem during file-backed mapping note processing
warning: Can't open file /memfd:xwayland-shared (deleted) during file-backed mapping note processing
[ SNIP]
warning: Can't open file /memfd:wayland-cursor-rs (deleted) during file-backed mapping note processing
warning: Can't open file /dev/shm/wob-0 (deleted) during file-backed mapping note processing
warning: Can't open file anon_inode:i915.gem which was expanded to anon_inode:i915.gem during file-backed mapping note processing
[SNIP]
warning: Can't open file anon_inode:i915.gem which was expanded to anon_inode:i915.gem during file-backed mapping note processing
[New LWP 2852]
[New LWP 2865]
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[New LWP 2867]
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[Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
Using host libthread_db library "/usr/lib/libthread_db.so.1".
Core was generated by `Hyprland'.
Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
#0 0x00007f6a07e6fb99 in wl_list_insert () from /usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0
--Type <RET> for more, q to quit, c to continue without paging--c
[Current thread is 1 (Thread 0x7f6a067d0f00 (LWP 2852))]
(gdb) bt -full
#0 0x00007f6a07e6fb99 in wl_list_insert () at /usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0
#1 0x00007f6a07feb25f in wlr_output_configuration_head_v1_create () at /usr/lib/libwlroots.so.11032
#2 0x000055603a5a48e6 in Events::listener_change(wl_listener*, void*) ()
#3 0x00007f6a07e6ff6e in wl_signal_emit_mutable () at /usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0
#4 0x00007f6a07fe8ef0 in output_layout_reconfigure () at /usr/lib/libwlroots.so.11032
#5 0x00007f6a07fe91b2 in wlr_output_layout_add () at /usr/lib/libwlroots.so.11032
#6 0x000055603a5ba1f8 in CMonitor::onConnect(bool) ()
#7 0x000055603a5a5d67 in Events::listener_newOutput(wl_listener*, void*) ()
#8 0x00007f6a07e6ff6e in wl_signal_emit_mutable () at /usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0
#9 0x00007f6a07e6ff6e in wl_signal_emit_mutable () at /usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0
#10 0x00007f6a07facef9 in scan_drm_connectors () at /usr/lib/libwlroots.so.11032
#11 0x00007f6a07e6ff6e in wl_signal_emit_mutable () at /usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0
#12 0x00007f6a07fbd1f0 in handle_udev_event () at /usr/lib/libwlroots.so.11032
#13 0x00007f6a07e719e2 in wl_event_loop_dispatch () at /usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0
#14 0x00007f6a07e72197 in wl_display_run () at /usr/lib/libwayland-server.so.0
#15 0x000055603a53ce91 in main ()
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About this issue
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- State: open
- Created 2 years ago
- Reactions: 13
- Comments: 156 (52 by maintainers)
Yep. I have the issue and no nvidia card
#1483 is resolved for me now with closing/opening lid (disabling/enabling laptop monitor). I was only able to get it working by creating the below to completely disable suspend on my laptop, because suspend and wake still crashes for me. But this is progress! Hopefully you will be able to figure out exactly what is causing suspend/wake to crash as well. But at least I’m not constantly having to restart my session now.
/etc/systemd/sleep.conf.d/disable-suspend.conf [Sleep] AllowSuspend=no AllowHibernation=no AllowSuspendThenHibernate=no AllowHybridSleep=no
the initial issue still happens for me regularly.
In my case it doesn’t seem to be crashing, since coredump gives me an unrelated crash from a week ago. What happens to me is that upon wake the screen does display correctly but the screen is frozen, like this one:
except it happens even if I suspend for 1 sec. Running on latest commit [1cf829c]
(using amd igpu + nouveau) also working no problem on sway
well it works with sway, so I don’t think my laptop sucks 😃
Can relate. This happens 25/30% of the time when using an external monitor and going to sleep/resuming. And about everytime when I’m using Kanshi to control my monitor setup automatically.
oh god
In Nvidia I solved the issue by enabling https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/435.17/README/powermanagement.html
which in nixos is accomplished by setting
hardware.nvidia.powerManagement.enable = truethat makes nvidia to store the full used vram and recover it during wakeup, which gives a clue of what is happening.Here is a crash report from my laptop. I suspend, wake it, I can see Hypr desktop for a split second, then it crashes me back to SDDM login. hyprlandCrashReport1039.txt
edit: for further clarification, this is with no external monitor. Same thing happens when I manually sleep then wake, or just merely closing laptop and re-opening it.
Success! I fiddled around some more with kernel & module parameters and it seems to be working now, I don’t need to call any of the scripts you mentioned directly or alter the script in sleep.d.
Summary:
To suspend I do:
And that’s all that is needed for me. Enabling those three nvidia services is probably the catch, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
When I attempt to wake up from a suspend I don’t get any output. Just darkness on all three monitors (and occasionally an eerie high pitched squeaking sound from my machine. don’t know if that’s relevant). However, I can quit hyprland and it brings me back to my display manager and I can then open hyprland just fine. (on commit bf52545a9136bff63fdc2c2856f358197fb2c2c5dirty)
cordump.txt
hyprlandlog.txt
@vaxerski will do next time
Interestingly enough, I realized it wasnt actually crashing technically. It comes back out of wake as a completely black screen, i can still open a terminal and touch a file (cant visually see all this) but that proves it is somewhat functioning.
This also happens though if i try to switch back to the hyprland tty after switching to a different one.
Hello! I still have this problem, not fixed on my end! I updated hyprland to the latest versions too manually to make extra sure